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Ahhh.... no.
Doesn't go far enough.

Relicing is a LIE.
It's a toddler screaming "I'm 65!".
That's relicing.

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I am at a lost for words, primarily because I am clueless as to what this is about.

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Joe Beaver
Maker of Sawdust

I like things that used to shine!

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Ken

"I am at a lost for words, primarily because I am clueless as to what this is about."

Joe, you know how you sometimes come across a guitar that used to have lice, but has lost them? Relicing is when you restore them.

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Tim Allen
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Eh.

I did a few F5C Loar mandolin copies many years back and they turned out good. I kept one for years and never had a problem handing it to someone to play. It was an old pal. Distressing an instrument is a very tedious job, and it is easy to screw up, easy to overdo it. To pull off making it look old is an art. Doubt I would ever do it to a guitar though. Guitar and mandolin folks are very different in what they like in a finished instrument.

As much as I am tempted to post a photoshopped (yeah I can still photoshop any of you into anything else.....) pic of the monster in the flim Relic with Mitch McConnell's or Hillary's (equal opportunity hater here...) face superimposed on the monster's body I will stifle myself.... this time...

I never got the relic thing and still don't... Sure I see the point in a super star not wanting his/her coveted and iconic ax on tour and hence the requirement for duplicates but for the rest of we mere mortals who would ever want such a thing?

I'll add that since we see relics on occasion too my impression is that these instruments which are a product of custom shops (perhaps on a Monday...) do tend to be set-up a bit better. Instead of the typical absolutely terrible f*ctory set-ups that we usually see the relics seem to have simply poor set-ups which is an improvement....

But again who would want to pay top dollar for an ax that looks like someone dragged it behind a Prius on a gravel road?

Because a very good distress job doesn't look like an ax dragged behind a Prius on a gravel road.

Do you(op) really want to understand or do you just want to bash it.


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Ken

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Depends on the situation . If something is done so in the furniture world or art world its called a fake or considered as less than desirable because it was done to deceive . If the work is done well and everyone is quite aware of the situation it is awesome . If not .... well then ...... Im not interested

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I will admit to learning a new word (Thanks Tim, for the clarification). "Relicing" isn't something I've even considered in concept simply because I haven't made a guitar yet without unintended blemishes, but seems like I've seen pictures of one or two nicely distressed guitars on this forum over the last few years.

I think we can put the fake thing aside because that is really not The issue here. Deception is obviously wrong.

Relicing or antiquing as it's called in the violin world can be as harmonic as the golden mean or awkward as my uncle Charlie.

There's a lot of beautiful work being shown here but someone could make an equally preposterous yet funny statement about handmade acoustic guitars. Something like they always look like they're wearing checkers and stripes at the same time. Or two kinds of plaid




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Shouldn't it be "relic-ing"? English majors?

I gotta say Ken's relic treatment is just gorgeous!

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Was there an auto correct, and it was meant to be re-licking? Some people lick twice, just to make sure the envelope flap sticks real good. Better safe than sorry!

Alex

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Perhaps a standard reply to the periodic posting of "I screwed this up, how do I hide the damage" should be "beat up the rest of the guitar to balance it out."

I find it annoying when people invent terms like this without thought to how they would be misunderstood. I like the concept of relic-ing. But take out the dash and you have sad joke. Then, we spend our time discussing hair tonics, etc. lol!

Just a little finish crazing on a top re-fin, to match the rest of the 72 year old J-45:

Watch the "Antiques Road Show" or "Pawn Stars" to get a feel for how modified musical instruments and other modified object are viewed and valued.

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Although a bit off topic, I thought I'd add that re-llicing has now spilled over to different instruments as well... This guy does a very good job of explaining exactly what's involved in the process and what it really does for an instrument. These concepts are universal and don't only apply to guitars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL_N3A5 ... e=youtu.be

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Nicely done.

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Steve Smith
"Music is what feelings sound like"

It's like plastic surgery. When it's done really well, you can't tell it was done. When it's done poorly it gives you the heebie geebies.

I think the folks at Historic Makeovers (rebuilding Gibson Historic Series Les Pauls - removing sheath on truss rod, redoing neck joint, proper top carve, removing the plastisized finish and reshooting lacquer) do it right. I could never afford a real '58-'60 burst but I COULD afford a historic makeover reworked Historic Les Paul. Gibson is making great les paul's these days and I think these folks do a few tweaks to make them a LITTLE bit better.

And remember folks, relic-ing is not always done to new guitars. It is very common with finish repair on older guitars to distress the new finish to match the old. It is definitely a good technique to have in your toolbox